Biggest BD star of the 1980s

topic posted Sun, September 13, 2009 - 4:41 PM by  wildflowr
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So I was a mere infant but I was just curious.

I was noticing that most of the BD lit I find is published post 1990s or 1970s so I was wondering what was going down in the 1980s for belly dancers. What was the hottest trend, hugest performer, sought after music, "the thing to do", place to learn - that kind of thing.

So for all of you who were there-
take a trip down memory lane:
what was it like being a belly dancer in the 80s?
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wildflowr
Hawaii
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  • Re: Biggest BD star of the 1980s

    Sat, September 26, 2009 - 6:21 PM
    Well I don't know about the biggest star. The 80's was pretty much pre-internet. So there weren't "stars" like today. We had local stars then on video ...we just devoured videos of Fifi, Lucy, Mona, Nagwa Fouad, Soheir Zaki and a very young Dina. The Lebanese dancers started to make their name....Amani, Samara, Hwada Hachim. But the Egyptian style was very much in vogue. So were elaborate costumes with long fringe. The full circle skirt was still very popular in the 80's especially the early 80's but the late 80's the straight look that is popular today just barely started to make it's appearance. It really didn't come into fashion though until the mid-late 90's. Some of the most classical musicales surfaced int the 80's such as Mashaal, Sit El Hassan. The American Greek Clubs were still in full swing. The 80's just rocked for belly dancing but really marked the end of an era. . But here's a couple 80's videos for you:

    Classic:
    www.youtube.com/watch

    American Greek Caberet
    www.youtube.com/watch
  • Re: Biggest BD star of the 1980s

    Mon, October 12, 2009 - 6:36 AM
    What I remember about the 80's (having started lessons in '85), was the very obvious split in popular style from east coast to west coast. East coast was big on cabaret, particularly Egyptian; and west coast had more "tribal" which wasn't really called tribal that I heard, but "ethnic-y". That is in terms of dance style, costume, and music. We even heard of dancers who had tattoos!!! shock!! lol pretty much unfathomable.
    The magazines were a great source of wondrous info back then. I didn't have a tv/vcr till the '90's so can't tell what vids were widely available, but the ones I did see at my teacher's or at workshops were amazingly inspirational.
  • Re: Biggest BD star of the 1980s

    Wed, October 28, 2009 - 6:59 AM
    I started dancing in my first year of college 1979/80. The first classes were pretty full. Eventually, tho, everyone quit except me.

    At first I got loads of newsletters advertizing seminars and weekend retreats, but I traveled a lot for work and couldn't afford them anyway. But, they gradually stopped coming. And when I reached a point in life where I could afford to attend and had the time, the seminars and workshops had all but vanished. Belly dance was just plain out of style. Salome of Columbus told me that Belly Dance was everywhere until Saturday Night Fever hit the theaters. Then the popularity of belly dance plumented, and the seminars and workshops began to disappear. That's why she started offering her semi-annual seminars. I miss her and her seminars.

    My teacher gave me some old magazines. MEDECA was one, I think.. I remember reading passionate debates about weight, scholarly articles on history of the dance, anguish over the general public confusing belly dance with stripping and what to do about it, costume how-tos, and finger pointing over what was, and wasn't belly dance. Some people felt quite firmly that ATS was NOT belly dance. Some people still do. In general, about the only thing that's changed is that some people feel quite firmly that Tribal Fusion is NOT belly dance :)

    Cabaret style was just plain Belly Dance. Donning a sheer, lurex and pailette caftan, tying a fringed scarf on your head and another on your hips was "ethnic" or "folksy". We called the West Coast ATS stuff "Desert Style".

    Live music here was a mish mosh mostly from the Greek -Turkish region. We didn't have ipods or even Walkmans! We had cassettes and lps. The ONLY way to preview music was to find someone who had that lp and listen to it. As a general rule of thumb, the cheesier the album cover, the better the music. And music wasn't cheap. I could walk into the Kent Community Store and buy a top 10 lp for about $6. They charged about $36 to special order belly dance lps. The lowest price was from a mail order company in FL that charged about $20 per album, plus shipping. A dollar was worth a lot more back then so a poor music choice was a costly mistake. Imagine paying $40 - $60 per cd today!

    Costuming was a make-it-yourself thing, but a few dancers paid $1200+ for professionally made custom costumes. Even the piecy-parts for costumes were pricey. Coins were either "real", as in genuine coins or the heavy Saroyan coins. Or they were what I called Aluminum Foil Coins, because they were so thin and flimsy you could bend them between your fingers. Today even the cheapest fake coins and belts are pretty sturdy. Back then, you could not touch a new, beaded Egyptian bra and belt for under $300, they were comparable to todays $90 Isis Exchange sets.

    A lot of belly dance supplies were mail order only. That's a lot different from internet shopping. First, I had to find the vendors ads in the back of the magazines I borrowed from my teacher. Then I had to write to them, on paper, and drop it in the mailbox, with a stamp. Then wait for the catalog to arrive. When I was ready to order, only about half the companies accepted charge cards. So I usually had to add it all up, write a check, put it in an envelope with a stamp and drop it in the mail. A few days later it reached the vendor, and two weeks after that it finally cleared the back and the vendor could ship. That's a far cry from Amazon's Buy It With One Click button!!

    The typical costume was a bra, belt, and slit circle skirt or fabulous harem pants. Dancers liked to layer a chiffon circle skirt over lame. Another popular style was two ruffled skirts, with the lower skirt pulled through the slits in over skirt, and tucked into the belt. Fringe tended to be short, mostly because dancers beaded it themselves :). Some dancers dressed quite modestly, with sheer blouses over decorated bras, sometimes exposing the midrift and sometimes extending to the hip. Full chiffon sleeves were popular, actually full sleeves of any sort. Other dancers went quite bare, with 6" or wider gaps between the rear panel of the skirt and the front panel, positioned over the front of each leg. The skirt was often sheer with a metallic trim at the hem, and bras often had cut outs at the side panels and in between the girls in front.

    Silk veils were few and far between. We used a lot of fake China Silk, Silkessence, chiffon with trim, lame, lycra, etc.
    • Re: Biggest BD star of the 1980s

      Wed, October 28, 2009 - 9:26 AM
      Helen,

      Thanks for the history lesson! :)
      • Re: Biggest BD star of the 1980s

        Thu, October 29, 2009 - 5:43 PM
        Yes, I agree with much of what Helen said. Belly dancing was huge in the 60's and 70's but started to die out in the 80's which is when I started. There weren't a lot of belly dancers but there were still a lot of nightclubs. The nightclubs didn't start to die out until the mid to late 90's. Costumes were hand-made and were I think much more interesting than the internet costumes you see today because no 2 were alike. The 80's were also the time of the big Egyptian musicales, like Mashaal, Sit El Hassan, Nagwa....

        Here's a clip of a dancer who inspired me. I had been taking classes from 1980-1983. I self studied for 2 years because I moved to an area of Nebraska where belly dancing was unheard of. Heck they didn't even know what a taco or a bagel was! But in 1982 or 1983 my teacher took us to an Arabic nightclub to watch a belly dance show and that is when I became hooked. When I first saw Kaywakeb dance. Whe I finished college in 1985 I sought out her teacher and soon started my professional career as a dancer, due in part to the hiring freeze that occurred in the country around that time, similar to what is happening now.

        Kawakeb in 1986

        www.youtube.com/watch
        • Re: Biggest BD star of the 1980s

          Thu, October 29, 2009 - 5:46 PM
          Oh and dancers back then were tall and voluptuous like Kawakeb. Not super thin and muscular like today. I was amazed when I got hired because even though my body type was similar I was short. All of the reigning dancers were like Amazons compared to me. But I was still very curvy. In fact, once I became professional I bought a couple of Kawakeb's used costumes. They fit perfectly except I had to hem the skirts.
          • Re: Biggest BD star of the 1980s

            Thu, October 29, 2009 - 8:36 PM
            Here Norma is being a bit modest. I first started seeing her perform about 1987 or 1988. She may or may not have been the body type they were looking for; I can't speak to that or whether her height had anything to do with anything. But I can safely assert that the main reason she got hired was because she was (and is, for that matter) a very, very good dancer.
          • Re: Biggest BD star of the 1980s

            Sun, November 1, 2009 - 3:29 PM
            I totally forgot I had the video. Another great Detroit dancer. I had to cut out the first half of drum solo as the dancer has a wardrobe malfunction right when the camera zoomed in on her. I haven't figured out how to edit things out yet so this clip starts near the end of drum solo and goes into zar. Just amazing.


            www.youtube.com/watch

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