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Hi Everyone,
I am passionate about bellydance but I don't feel like I know enough about its origins and leaders in the development of the dance to now.
I am the type of girl who needs to know where I am coming from in order to know where I am going :)
Where should I begin to look for understanding the dance from the inside out? Where and who do I start with? Who are the main "teachers" from the original dance and sources in the Middle East? Why are they so important? Are there books? Are there documentaries?
Any help is so appreciated and thanks so much!!!
I am passionate about bellydance but I don't feel like I know enough about its origins and leaders in the development of the dance to now.
I am the type of girl who needs to know where I am coming from in order to know where I am going :)
Where should I begin to look for understanding the dance from the inside out? Where and who do I start with? Who are the main "teachers" from the original dance and sources in the Middle East? Why are they so important? Are there books? Are there documentaries?
Any help is so appreciated and thanks so much!!!
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Re: Research into the Source of modern bellydance
Thu, October 6, 2005 - 10:36 PMLook for posts in this tribe about Jamila Salimpour and Bobby Farrah. It's a good place to start with AMerican belly dance.
Artemis Mourat also has written an extensive article about the evolution of Turkish oriental in the US. www.serpentine.org -
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Re: Research into the Source of modern bellydance
Thu, October 6, 2005 - 11:41 PMI think that website www.shira.com not 100% sure if that is correct....there is alot of info on that site....it will also lead you in the right direction for finding other resources helpful to your knowledge search!!!
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Re: Research into the Source of modern bellydance
Fri, October 7, 2005 - 5:31 AMIt's www.shira.net.
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Re: Research into the Source of modern bellydance
Fri, October 7, 2005 - 8:48 AMThank you lovely ladies :)
I am clearly a geek!!
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Re: Research into the Source of modern bellydance
Fri, October 7, 2005 - 1:04 PMbelly-geeks unite!
in terms of egyptian style, i'd say look for info on Tahiya Karioka and Samya Gamal, two very influential dancers
the Shira website is a wealth of info
find tons of vintage photos at www.shanmonster.com/belly/gallery/index.html
and find historical info here: joyfuldancer.home.comcast.net/
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Re: Research into the Source of modern bellydance
Tue, October 11, 2005 - 9:16 AMIt might be worthwhile taking a look at Wendy Buonaventura's book "Serpent of the Nile" - details on her site at
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Re: Research into the Source of modern bellydance
Thu, October 13, 2005 - 6:49 AMThere is an excellent piece history of belly dance in www.desertveils.org for a quick overview written by Mary E. an anthropologist. -
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Thu, October 13, 2005 - 10:12 AMThank you so MUCH!!!
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Re: Research into the Source of modern bellydance
Sat, October 15, 2005 - 8:22 PMOlder than most sources, I wrote a work on sources for dance in the 600-1600 AD range:
raqsstorm.org/apostate/
raqsstorm.org/apostate/
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Re: Research into the Source of modern bellydance
Wed, October 19, 2005 - 2:32 PMHeya Woodrow--
Your links are bad. :( -
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Re: Research into the Source of modern bellydance
Wed, October 19, 2005 - 9:12 PMThanks Azi - how do I get a hold of these ladies?!
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Re: Research into the Source of modern bellydance
Sun, November 20, 2005 - 6:25 AMMy Provider moved services, and it went down around the time you checked. It's back up now; I don't check Tribe.net too often, I fear. :)
---asim
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Re: Research into the Source of modern bellydance
Wed, October 19, 2005 - 2:29 PMTalk to Shareen el Safy and Sahra Kent if you're interested in how modern Egyptian bellydance grew out of the social dance/folkloric forms.
(Shareen was a student of Jamila's way back when.)
I'd take every page of Serpent and the Nile with a HUGE grain of salt. Wendy has a very obvious axe to grind, and it shows in this book. -
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Re: Research into the Source of modern bellydance
Fri, October 21, 2005 - 2:00 PMaloha everyone. now take this with a grain of sand, cause i don't know where he got his sources from. but this is so worth reading, especially if you love dance and it gives you that tingly feeling that it is so much more than just you... ...
"Skinny Legs and All" by Tom Robbins, does an excellent (and somewhat steamy and scandalous) job of describing pre-Abraham life and dance in the Land of Canaan. it's a fabulous histori-fiction tale and particularly relevant in these times.
and a must have for everyone in the universe:
"The Women's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets" by Barbara Walker (not Walters!) -
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Re: Research into the Source of modern bellydance
Sun, October 23, 2005 - 8:19 AMI'd recommend Aisha Ali's videos
aisha-ali.com/araf/index.html
with great footage from "over there".
For basic information " The Belly Dance Book" edited by Tazz Richards has nice articles written by all sorts of dancers and dance historians.
The "Stars of Egypt" series- which includes videos of Tahiya Carioca, Samia Gamal, Naima Akef and more are EXCELLENT. Each woman has her own unique style, the classic music is wonderful!
The 40s-60s was a wonderful "golden era" of modern belly dance- and it's also very interesting to then watch belly dancers from the 70s-80s (Mona Said, Souhair Zaki, Fifi Abdo for example) and see the differences. The dance has been evolving and changing.
There is much more info on Egyptian style than Turkish- Artemis has some wonderful stuff- including an IAMED DVD due out VERY soon! (can't wait!) -
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Re: Research into the Source of modern bellydance
Sun, October 23, 2005 - 9:52 AMThank you so much everyone - this is an amazing journey :)
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Re: Research into the Source of modern bellydance
Fri, November 4, 2005 - 9:43 AMDarling, the best place to look is your heart! Not everything done by our pioneering dancers comforts everyone's taste, and I find that through watching videos of everyone I possibly can from the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's and 00's I develop and grow certain ideas of my own and understand how the story unfolds in a feeling way. The stories that our sisters have told has been written about enough, and still the best place to learn is visually!!! Through the expressions in these women's faces, a million stories are told that you'll never find explained in books. The truest emotions of the lives they lived and their dreams and aspirations are all there! -
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Re: Research into the Source of modern bellydance
Fri, November 4, 2005 - 10:19 AM'Tis true...I need to find some money for DVD's. Is there a good place to get ones of dancers from the 60's, 70's etc?
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Re: Research into the Source of modern bellydance
Fri, November 4, 2005 - 2:31 PMSWEETIE YOU'RE IN CANADA AND I AM IN LONDON! If you came here I'd point you in the right direction down Edgeware Rd, but I dont know where to recommend, save the internet. I have seen videos on ebay sometimes, and am certain that there are more sites out there. In London we often have big Souk's at festivals and then we all go out shopping and pick up what we need. I could recommend some UK companies who are on the internet. Aladdins Cave are really good stockists for CDs and video. But Im sure youve got a local supply that would be cheaper. Happy hunting honey! Theyre out there xx
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Re: Research into the Source of modern bellydance
Sun, November 20, 2005 - 1:43 PMI've not see a lot of dancer footage from the 60's and 70's. The Legends of Bellydance DVD has some for dancers in Egypt and nearby, and there's a few videos of dancers from that time period who were here; the Hizz ya Wiz video, to hit the best one that I have, covers the early years of the Aswan Dance Troupe in San Francisco. Keep in mind that most of this stuff will _not_ be on DVD; you're frankly lucky to get 'em on VHS.
I'd recommend Dahlal International, Scheherezade Imports, Audrena's, or Artemis Imports as good "old school" vendors, who you can contact and ask about these kind of videos. Look 'em up on Google for contact information.
Does that help? :)
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Re: Research into the Source of modern bellydance
Mon, January 1, 2007 - 4:31 PMI would go directly to the source. If you subscribe to DISH network, then subscribe to the Arabic channels. One can learn much about Egyptian dance and culture just by watching Egyptian movies....ALL of them, not just necessarily the ones that feature dance. About two-thirds of these movies are all subtitled in English. The Egyptian movies are our first teachers.
-Sausan
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Re: Research into the Source of modern bellydance
Mon, January 1, 2007 - 8:18 PMAn excellent book to read is A Trade Like Any Other by Karin van Nieuwkerk. (which I have probably misspelled). It's not easy to read - it's her PhD dissertation and is written in rather academic language. But it's a superb resource for learning how our dance form evolved from its roots as a social dance into a performing art.
Another good resource is Looking for Little Egypt, by Donna Carlton. That one provides insights into how the general U.S. public became aware of "belly dance" at the end of the 19th century and early 20th century.
The DVD Legends of Belly Dance provides a good introduction to what the famous dancers of Egypt were like in the 1940's and later.
I know someone else on this thread suggested Serpent of the Nile by Wendy Buonaventura. I actually don't recommend that one, because it contains a lot of "wishtory" and is very weak when it comes to identifying its sources.
Someone else suggested The Belly Dance Book - and I agree that its history section is excellent.
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Re: Research into the Source of modern bellydance
Tue, January 2, 2007 - 4:08 PMTo Shira's wise port, I would also add:
""An hour for God and an hour for the heart": Islam, gender and female entertainment in Egypt at:
research.umbc.edu/eol/MA/in...arin_0.htm -- this is van Nieuwkerk's followup piece to A TRADE LIKE ANY OTHER, and I generally recommend it as excellent background to the cultural implications of raqs shaqri and related forms in modern Egypt. Since it's online and fairly short, it's not a burden to get to, although it is written in the same academic tongue as TRADE.
Belly Dance: Orientalism, Transnationalism, And Harem Fantasy -- possibly the best single book available in English for Raqs Shaqri research, in my opinion. It's an excellent work on just about every aspect of the dance; there are weaknesses, including the piece on American Tribal, and, orignically enough, I wanted much more of the actual origins, although it does a great job of giving you media context (like with the movies Su mentioned) within the culture, as well as the myriad of other aspects to this dance form. -
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Re: Research into the Source of modern bellydance
Wed, January 3, 2007 - 10:15 PMYou don't like "Body, Image, Identity", Woodrow? I think it's *awesome*, one of the most academically useful pieces in the book in terms of looking at *why* western women belly dance and what they get out of it. It's got much wider application than tribal though.
I love the "An Evening in the Orient" article - that is very useful for anyone who wants to learn more about the background of ME dance in America's clublands. But yes, the whole book is worth its price, which is pretty low considering.
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