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I was reading something the other day and came across this name. I then remembered my very first workshop was with this dancer. She was teaching Tsfitelli. Does anyone remember her? No anything about her?
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Re: Vina
Thu, March 13, 2008 - 12:38 AMWasn't she on a bunch of old album covers?
I think some of them had her bio, but I'd have to look thru my old LP's. -
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Re: Vina
Thu, March 13, 2008 - 7:07 AMShe may have been. She was a pretty big name probably in the 70's as I went to her workshop in the early 80's. -
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Re: Vina
Thu, March 13, 2008 - 11:39 AMNorma,
I was wondering if it was George Abdo's sister Vina Haddad who had a brief instructional with photos that is in one of Abdo's old records? Maybe. She was around at that time. She belly danced at the Averof in Boston with her brother's band. By the time I worked the Averof in the late 80's she and her brother were no longer there so I never met her. From her pictures she looked pretty, slim, had very long dark hair. Wonder if that is her?
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Re: Vina
Fri, March 14, 2008 - 6:54 AMYESSSS! That's it Aziza. That's her. I didn't realize she was George Abdo's sister! That totally makes sense though. I was recently listening to some Abdo CD's and the music reminded me of the workshop with VIna. It was the same style. Hah! It probably was exactly the same!
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Re: Vina
Mon, August 3, 2009 - 8:51 AMSear Aziza,
I could be wrong, but I thought the dancer on Abdou's albums was Juliana..... and there was a lot of rumor around that she was a model and not a dancer. There were these kind of dance movement notes in some of the album sleeves, supposedly her class notes..., and she also occasionally posed with a guy named, I think Rafael, and he was dressed in sort of the "sheikh of the burning sands" look.
Regards, A'isha -
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Re: Vina
Mon, August 3, 2009 - 12:32 PMDear A'isha,
That's what I was told too by my older instructors (meaning they'd been dancing since the 70s) back in the mid-90s, that her name was Juliana.
Best regards,
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Re: Vina
Mon, August 3, 2009 - 12:38 PMDear Zafira,
I, too, am an "old" instructor, having started in 1974!! I remember the Abdou albums well and even still have at least one of the in vinyl form, LOL!! Juliana was certainly beautiful and she had this one costume to die for, made of chainmail like stuff.
Regards,
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Re: Vina
Tue, August 4, 2009 - 5:26 AMHi A'isha,
I have the ALL of his cassettes!! Love the chain mail costume. :)
I am loathe to re-purchase in CD format and keep meaning to transfer to my computer and make CDs, but so time consuming.
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Re: Vina
Tue, August 4, 2009 - 6:41 AMDear Zafira,
It IS time consuming!! I have so many cassettes and some of them are music that people gave me when they went back to the Middle East after having gone to school here, so I have a huge collection of Gulfstuff and Egyptian stuff. What really made me get busy transferring everything to CD is when I went to play a tape that I had not played in a long, long time and it just stretched and broke instead of playing. I have found several bad ones and it upsets me because it is music I can never get again. So far I have transferred over 250 tapes and I have way too many more to go, but at least I have made a dent, now! It's worth it in the long run.
Regards,
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Re: Vina
Tue, August 4, 2009 - 8:48 AMSomebody put up a link on the Middle Eastern music tribe (I think) once for radio Bastet which had several hours of vintage bellydance music ready for downloading. -
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Re: Vina
Thu, August 6, 2009 - 3:26 PMNO NO! The inside "Instructional" "INside" of one of Abdo's CD's is his sister Vina! Vina was not one of the models on the cover! (The inside "Instructional" credits the photo as being of Vina. One hundred percent Arabic girl!)
The girl with the odd looking figure in "Chainmail" costume is "Juliana" on one of the covers. The gorgeous model with the beautiful looking multi color veil (one arm holding behind her with plastic bangles) on another is Sultana Noga a British Jewish belly dancer. These record covers were taken by one of Aunt Rocky's old boyfriends, Tasso Mavris the Greek guitar player. In fact Rocky was dating him when Rocky talked my mother into belly dancing. Tassos showed Johanna how to play zil Greektown style. That's why my zil are so fuckin' good. Tassos knew his stuff! No one can play zil now. Or when they do, it sucks. They don't have any tone!
My mother and her first husband Bill met Juliana and and her partner Raphael back in the sixties when Juliana and Raphael were strictly Flamenco dancers. Raphael worked with my mother's husband Bill on his day job at the New York Times. Johanna and Bill have a few strange stories about those two! (Johanna and Bill AKA "Turhan" pioneered a man and woman dancing together outside of Greektown. Greektown NYC did not have "male" performers. Incidentally another belly dancer tried to copy their act and tried doing it over on the East Side with her partner. They sucked and it was a big flop.)
Years later, Juliana got into belly dancing and then included Raphael. Juliana was a character!
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Re: Vina
Thu, August 6, 2009 - 3:40 PMDear Aziza,
Yes!! I DO remember Vina. She had very long hair. right? I believe you are right in saying that she did those belly dance notes that were inside the albums!! I bet I could even still; find mine if I went through all my stuff. Thanks for sharing that bit of belly dance history.
BTW, I also play good sagat, though as an Egyptian belly dancer, I do not do it very often. I do play for Beledi and Ghawazi, and occasionally I break down and do an American cabaret routine just to prove to myself I still can!
Regards,
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Re: Vina
Fri, August 7, 2009 - 8:07 AMI'm sure you do! It's just that zil are rare these days and the types of zil people have to buy are not right anymore. That adds to the confusion!
I'm going to post another Tassos Mavris record cover album with the gorgeous Sultana Noga. This time a record by our dear friend Anesto Athaniasou. I also took a photo of the booklet inside "The Art of Belly Dancing." Can't see her too good, but it's Vina with her long hair.
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Re: Vina
Mon, August 3, 2009 - 8:05 AMDoes anyone know where I could get a picture of her?
This was my instructors teacher back in the day-day.
Thanks...
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Re: Vina
Mon, August 3, 2009 - 8:06 AMI have the CD's. Just something as a gift for my instructor's studio wall. She has everything, but Oriental (she teaches all forms of dance). Unless I get her the BDSS calendar on the holidays.
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